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Rider I February 27th, 05:46
I hope that all economist readers also read the harsh criticism of the regime that currently treats ethnics and rural types as second class citizens exactly like the Jews did. While forcing all Buddhist to hang pictures of Communist leaders in the temples and oppressing their freedom to have a church with military spies or literal soldiers in each religious institution. While also specifically admitting to try and get the US to go to war with Iran so that they could destroy both the Muslim world and West world while they grow and are enriched from instigating fights with the two. All the way to literally bullying corporations and business to the point of forced monopolistic State Owned Enterprise take over.
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veryh in reply to Rider I February 27th, 08:30
Minorities get better treatments than Han Chinese,that is just a fact.Im not a big fan of my government,but I also dont like people spread lies just to push their
Ya well obviously you need to study that then. Lies to spread agenda. Obviously you read this far on the comment sheet you are the one with an agenda. Rural people in Communist China have a second class idea. Along with the Falung Gong because they are budhist are Genocide. My friend your internet is blocked from that research. You could be living in it and would never know because the Communist agenda is to keep its people blind like Hilter did with the world as they oppressed their ethnic cultures. I do not think that you have read anything from Tibetan research, Gulug research or any kind of ethnic treatment in your country. I run a research cite called the Rider I Anti Economic Warfare you can't see it in your country. If you are in the states you should give it a read.
Rider I
Thank you but it is not a lie and again agenda comes for someone who has obviously read this far on the comment sheet just to spread something they have no clue about. Now maybe if you could read the research cites I would agree with you. But obviously you do not even know that your rural people have a second class like the Jews did in Socialist German id card. Western Journalist die in your country to get the truth to the rest of the world. While Chinese citizens are blinded by Communist propaganda agenda's.
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hold your horse, raider I, I wish your were that free but you ain’t.
don’t know what you are grumbling about, but aren't they are all being forced to hang pictures of democratic leaders in every government office, airport and public place? (have you been at US airport lately?)
Buddhist temples are public places and of course they can and probably are forced (by law) to hang the pictures of communist leaders, just like in your neighbourhood. They shot horses don’t they?
Rider I
Furthermore, to the other one who responded to me. No Buddhist Temples are not public places in my country. They are private religious institutions. Which the government does not control. The idea of Hanging Government pictures in a religious private institution to a free person is like North Korea being forced to hang government pictures in citizens houses.
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Along with that in Communist China they genocided all Republican or religious entities. Who believe in the right to freedom of religion. So obviously you are not a religious person or you would not think that religion is a place where the government can intrude upon.
Rider I
Along with that the idea that Minorities get better treatment is impossible. The Communist Chinese genocides all minorities and currently oppress any minority political group from being able to hold any office against their Bolshevist view points. So the idea that minorities have it better is impossible as not one minority is allowed into major Communist Chinese politics. Where as in the US the majority of Government workers are minorities.
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kommonsenses in reply to Rider I February 28th, 18:16
and you obviously don't know a thing about 'the communist chinese' except your pitifully brainwashed impression of them. to accuse them 'genocide every single religion' is no more far fetched than to call you republican the baby killer and mass genocide of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians.
and you have the audacity to say: 'our law does not allow government intrusion into their entities.'. do you really believe that yourself? how many churches were busted in the name of national security or something?
tell me why do you have to hang the pictures of your ruler or leader at say every airport? chinese don't do that.
look, my point is not to say you are all wrong, just that don't assume others are wrong simply because being different from your view. there is no 'holier than thou' business in international affairs.
Rider I
point well taken. However, I never said that your but your conclusion of a point that is " just that don't assume others are wrong simply because being different from your view." Has nothing to do with the fact that in the US religion is not oppressed like it is in Communist China.
Along with that "ou obviously don't know a thing about 'the communist chinese'" I have written over 20,000 articles on them under pysdo names. Along with literally over my lifetime read research from all sides theirs too which is over hundreds of thousand. Again obvious you must not be able to read my research cite.
If your conclusion is I know nothing about the Communist Chinese you are wrong. you are talking to one of the eldest families in the world fighting fascism. Which the Communist Chinese Party is. Next if your point is being different from my view is what I protect. Obvious you do not know the difference between Communist China's one point of view sided politics and Democracy which I stand for. Obviously you are not wrong but very off point of moderate grounds here.
Rider I
you should really listen to Pink Floyds the wall it was written against the Soviets idea of what the Communist do with cognitional oppression of different views and cultures during the Soviet Union battle for Democracy against mono fascism.
Rider I
While your rhetoric is hyperbolic, I understand where you are coming from. It would be easy to criticize a regime that has made such massive mistakes were it not for the malignity of our own government. As for the conspiracy that China is attempting to bring down the West by provoking the U.S. to engage Iran, I cannot help but imagine kids egging each other on at the playground; truly this notion is as childish as "na na na boo boo". If you look at the ongoing scenario in Syria, both Russia and China have expressed reservations about a foreign occupation as Syria is its own sovereign nation and should be treated as such. Very clearly we can see China is not looking to start fights. Moreover I don't think the United States' decision to invade Iran-as if we needed any assistance with that decision-would result from any provocation on China's behalf. The U.S. is drawing itself into war with Iran by instituting the same economic-stalling sanctions placed on Japan before WWII. We all know what occurred next....In summation let's not be blinded by our own native-born biases; it only breeds animosity.
Rider I
Good point. I would not consider their regime making mistakes though. I consider them strategic economic centralized activities. A mistake is something that happens when you do something out of order or because of ignorance. A whole committee like the SASAC sitting down and preparing long research projects and specific moves is not a mistake. As for the conspiracy I will cite a PLA general which is not a conspiracy it is a fact.
"China’s Major Gen. Zhang Zhaozhong has reportedly said that China must be prepared to fight World War III if Iran is attacked by the United States. According to Zhang’s logic, China’s security is tied to Iran’s security. Zhang further suggested that China may need to fight such a war for domestic political reasons; namely, that as China’s economy cools so will the population’s enthusiasm for the ruling Communist Party. In bad economic times, a global war would redirect popular discontent against a foreign enemy."
Foreign occupation of Syria is not something anyone wants either. The UN is not in Libya I believe except for basic security of advisers to help them secure a Democracy. I agree with the idea of a Sovereign Nation and should be treated as such. If the Communist Chinese perceive this as so. How come they are so into the Philippines Maoist Guerrilla camps, Along with Indian Maoist terrorist. Where many MSS agents are stationed. While also basically owning Pakistan with their military bases. I also see the idea of the analogy of Iran and Japan and also see that it would be more beneficial for Communist China than it would be for Iran or the US if we went to war with each other. To conclude my native born biases is breading animosity for all those genocided by the Communist Chinese. As the people they killed in their country and still oppress politically and economically in their country as Republicans are still being oppressed my friend. I love Chinese but see the Communist Chinese Regime as a necessary area of someone in this world to hold onto animosity so that they can't spread like they are doing in Africa, Nepal and other countries creating and helping create very fascist one sided more or less genocidal regimes like they are. As I think folks have a feeling they should not allow the Communist Chinese to be so dominate. But they have no clue why. So I try and help them understand.
Rider I
The mistake was in reference to The Great Leap Forward. Mao did not have the intention of murdering millions of farmers when the idea of communal farming was birthed. It was an effort to stimulate economic development gone horribly awry. Mao admitted his mistake later:
The chaos caused was on a grand scale, and I take responsibility. Comrades, you must all analyze your own responsibility.
Now am I condoning the propaganda, the deception, the hegemonic form of communism that China has propagated for the past century? Certainly not. My only argument is that these "mistakes"-whatever you want to call them I am not arguing semantics-are very sensitive topics, especially for China whose country and culture has historically been subjugated by Western influence. These topics are highly impassioning so it is critical we address them pragmatically.
As for that quote from the Major Gen. China must be prepared to defend Iran in the event of an attack. China is Iran's largest importer of oil (energy contracts worth $120 billion). They additionally have long-term energy contracts to extract natural gas from the South par fields of Iran for the next 30 years. Therefore China has a vested interest in the future of Iran and cannot itself afford to lose Iran as a trading partner. As for concern over the slowing economy, hundreds of protests occur each day in China despite the continual economic growth. Most domestic citizens would actually stand to benefit from a decrease in exponential economic growth; a lower rate of inflation would result in higher real-income for domestic consumers. Thus the correlation between public dissent and a slowing economy is paradoxical. I think the dissent is coming from a society desiring more personal freedoms and a more commensurable income distribution. I think we can both agree the Communist Party is trying desperately to maintain its hold on power. I am just trying to encourage a certain amount of diplomacy in controversial issues.
Rider I
That would be a different opinion. From released Russian documents and defected Communist Chinese. Mao had it in his heart to genocide every single Farmer and sent folks from the city who fought against the Communist Chinese and could not make it to Taiwan to the same areas. Which parts of Communist China with pro Communist where able to get food but that part of Communist China was forced by soldiers not to farm and placed in strategic death camps. I am sorry you know nothing about Communist China if you think that the great leap forward was some kind of mistake. It was strategically planned to finish off his opposition which was those believing in Democracy. Those that did not flee to Taiwan where starved to death.
I agree with the rest of your comment and find you very diplomatic. However, I am again trying to hold values and pressure against them. I am not a paid diplomat and even those have lost the strength we had against the Soviets and German Socialist. The idea of finding diplomacy is a great way to move forward. However, there is no diplomacy in Communist China. It is there way or no way. It is a o sum game with their party. From business being forced to industrial monopolized supply lines, all the way to forced ip seizures if they wish to trade with them, even further the fact that Communist China believes in fascist genocidal regimes where one single culture gets to rule all cultures without any proper different party from being able to oppose them with economics and politics.
I find you very diplomatic I hope you find me very offensive. As I am on the offensive because the Communist Chinese spent over a billion dollars blaming the west for the world economic crash. In which they are on a heavy offensive bigger than the German Socialist SOE movements before they advanced their military through out Europe. Which was proceeded by heavy German Socialist SOE market industrial monopolization and they are even more offensive than the Soviets who at least did not lie about their intentions. So I am on the offensive and that is how I wish to be perceived as standing up against communist atheist lies about allowing cultures to exist peacefully. As no Communist I have read about or met believes in Democracy of cultures.
The idea I should sit here and be diplomatic when the Communist Chinese are the worst offensive economic warfare regime I have ever seen since the trade route wars during the Kingdoms. I will not back down I am offensive for a good purpose and great cause Democracy multiculturalism. And not some lie of State Capitalism which is just communist or Chinese characteristics which is the same thing the Soviets and German Socialist did or the idea that they are not the worlds biggest problem and threat. They are and I will do my best to try and make that known like Larry MacDonald did to the Soviets and every MacDonald has done to any regime that tried to genocide the idea of Democracy. Which is not a fascist regime with one party voting against itself with no checks by other elders or economic powers.
Rider I
Furthermore to your idea of a mistake. If you read their constitution the idea is to destroy all Democracy and free markets implement a transitional economic attack force of SOE's. Then to unite the world under a one world communist flag. In their constitution it states such theories of Marxist and Engels. Furthermore, if you have ever been to a multicultural hack den, you know that the higher end hackers can tell you that Mao's world conquest 150 year plan is still being used to write their white papers on their next five year plans.
Rider I
There is no mistake it is strategic exact cultural and economic genocide. As no culture can thrive peacefully if it can't have its own economy or ownership to cognitional back against the Bolshevist culture to protect it from humans nature need to dominate and conquer.
Furthermore, I am guessing you are not a multiculturalism. As if you where you could see that the Communist Chinese are like bonzi tree keepers. They have kept the worlds cultures of the West and Democracy very small while they have grown very big. Which all the West could do was help India to grow as big to counter check them. Which today we are losing at economically. Which is a bud-hist theory about Maoist 150 year plan.
Rider I
There are a lot of points you are making that I just cannot follow. It would simply not make sense to eradicate all of the farmers who are growing the rice to feed urban industry if Mao's vision is economic growth and industrialization. It seems nonsensical does it not? The U.S. is still the most influential country in the world. That is just a fact. Am I concerned that China is becoming more powerful? Absolutely not. They have massive social and environmental issues that need addressing in the next 20 years if they want to be considered a serious developed nation. Thus I think their main concerns are domestic, not world domination that you would so quickly concede. I definitely China needs to be pressured on its income inequality, its treatment of the environment and things of the like. However to have Marxist rhetoric in their constitution is not necessarily a bad thing. If you read any Marx, which I hope you have, you will see that pure communism will evolve out of capitalism. Marx would assert capitalism alienates the laborer from his or her own product. Capitalism has its own very obvious pitfalls as well thus we should not be pushing one economic system over another. Moreover, China has made huge steps towards adopting a more capitalist economy. The creation of stock markets, the allowance of FDI, these are huge steps towards a free-market economy considering where China was 30 years ago.
Finally your criticism of China's economic propaganda is hypocritical. Our media is renown for its bias. Take a look at how Arabs have been portrayed over the past 20 years. Additionally any serious intellectual studying economics would not pretend the U.S. didn't have a huge part in the global economic collapse. Many European banks had invested in those MBS packages that were poorly underwritten. Home values plummeted, people defaulted, the MBS packages became essentially worthless, thus resulting in a massive reduction in asset values on the bank's balance sheets. Therefore we can see the hand the U.S. played in the global crisis. Overall, the crisis has more to do with debt and risk but that is another matter.
Rider I
Nonsensical to eradicate farmers. My friend have you read anything about Communist China. Mao wanted to kill all farmers who owned lands and presented funds for city local parties to do such and place them in camps so they could not farm so their farms became state owned property. Make sense you should read about it. He did the same thing Hitler did. It is a Machiavellian principle of choosing and enemy to concentrate the people. Mao chose individual land owners as his Jewish population.
"The U.S. is still the most influential country in the world." Not if you look at trade statistics or development statistics. The US trade is way less than the Communist Chinese. Historical the worlds influence has been done by the biggest trader. Along with that the Communist Chinese own 50% of all the worlds development contracts. Thus meaning any new relevant influence in the world is going to them. Militarily influential yes fact of influential as a whole no that is a partial fact. More powerful countries usually have very bad social and environmental problems. Look at the US during its industrial revolution. Where it was becoming the worlds biggest super power because of its ability to produce trade influence. Writing in first person is ok but again if we go I's I have 4 I websites with tens of thousands of documents and again my friend I have written many more than I have collected. If they want to be considered a development nation. That is curious Communist China is more developed in its country than any country is. As it has the biggest developed cities, agriculture, civil sectors military and biggest developed surplus and financial systems. What do you consider developed. If you considered spread of wealth as developed. Well then fascist economies that centralize wealth to state owned enterprises never become developed. Yes again I have stated I have read Das Capitalist and Marxism too. You state Marxism will evolve out of Capitalism. I state Communist causes genocide and cultural destruction by centralization of individual wealth's to leaders of power. Where capitalism allows for each culture and individual to own their own to compete with economics against the powers so as to remove them when tyrannical. Communism gives no way to peaceful remove human tyranny. I do not think that genocide is a good thing. I did meet the head of the USA Communist party and he said that yes genocide would be necessary for Communism. As all capitalist or Republicans and Democrats would have to stop thinking that way or die for Communism to take over.
MMM this is funny you cite Marxist theories then state Communist China has moved substantially towards more capitalist economy. Your wrong if you read Das Capital like you state Communism evolves out of Capitalism. What Communist China is doing is exactly what Marxist states would have to be done. Using major Communist tools of SOE's in free markets to destroy free markets to centralize wealth to the SOE's. So as to crash the markets then allow the SOE's to take over to implement full state owned or commune control. Their stock markets are majority owned by SOE's their FDI is pure SOE sovereign wealth funds. China's propaganda unit is a literal trillion dollar institution that is run by the Communist Chinese party. All of our media together does not have that power of cognition. Along with that free market media is owned by different entities and cultures and parties. The Communist Chinese propaganda is owned by one single party that is part of their bigger Das Capital plan as per again Marxist strategy. Which states media would have to be controlled in the bigger transition out of free markets that allow individuals to own their own labors towards a communal ownership. Hypocritical no ours is media, theirs is propaganda. Arabs over the past 20 years. If you have been to the Middle East you will see that free media is just stating the facts. You should go it is an amazing conservative place. As for the world economic destruction. I can say of course we all played a part. But again the Communist Chinese would not take any blame at all and blamed it all on the US. When the Communist Chinese where the ones who used their SOE stock enterprises to spook our market and cause a crash along with Al Queada and Russian Federation enterprises as per Secret Weapons written by Kevin Freeman. The housing market could have easily eased its debt trading as other cycles have. But the incurred of three major economic terrorist countries against our economic structure and country played a huge part in that crash. Not to mention 30 years of Communist China's SOE's banks writing off bad debt loans without accounting for them in their deficit. Helped $50 trillion in Western value dissapear almost over night to a black whole in Communist China's SOE companies quarterly recapitalization without keeping track of their debt.
Furthermore, these actions taken during the world crash where the same actions taken during our last depression by the German Socialist. Which also believed in Marxist idea of Communal control of economies. Where the German Socialist where able to crash our economy through major predatory actions. Which the Economic Warfare Bureau then started the SEC to try and stop future economic terrorist organizations from doing that. However, with new high technology the Communist Chinese where able to direct Al Queada as per their book stating they where Unconventional Warfare and Russia as per Anna Chapman's arrest for following MSS orders to attack the real estate market. Therefore, in all reality if we see these three institutions did not act with impunity towards our stock markets. Then we would have seen a much cooler system than the world crash system. So I am sorry you think the US was to blame but obviously you have not done your research on the issue. Along with that we can get into legislative economic warfare done by another socialist communist group. That has forced three service bell curve reliance's on the US. First being the savings and loans, then the .com then the mortage industry. Each legislation by this socialist group that states they wish to implode the US economy to destroy it. Left a deeper and deeper crash after each normalization of the industry. As we would lose more and more industries to the Communist Chinese. This last service bell curve reliance we had ten industries in the US go extinct. Which means each time the service bell curve would normalize. The lost industries that cushioned us before caused a bigger crash as we had nothing to hold back on for GDP. Which again this group has its funding through Communist Chinese SOE's and Russian SOE's also. So its hard bitten to say you know alot or some about Communist China and you are more or less trying to state that Communist China is a good thing. Then again I do enjoy the feedback and I think you like learning from me. As if we I's my cite will show you who ra is.
Rider I
Furthermore to your idea of a mistake. If you read their constitution the idea is to destroy all Democracy and free markets implement a transitional economic attack force of SOE's. Then to unite the world under a one world communist flag. In their constitution it states such theories of Marxist and Engels. Furthermore, if you have ever been to a multicultural hack den, you know that the higher end hackers can tell you that Mao's world conquest 150 year plan is still being used to write their white papers on their next five year plans.
Rider I
There is no mistake it is strategic exact cultural and economic genocide. As no culture can thrive peacefully if it can't have its own economy or ownership to cognitional back against the Bolshevist culture to protect it from humans nature need to dominate and conquer.
Furthermore, I am guessing you are not a multiculturalism. As if you where you could see that the Communist Chinese are like bonzi tree keepers. They have kept the worlds cultures of the West and Democracy very small while they have grown very big. Which all the West could do was help India to grow as big to counter check them. Which today we are losing at economically. Which is a bud-hist theory about Maoist 150 year plan.
Rider I